"The GOD-MAKERS"
"The GOD-MAKERS"
What’s Wrong With ‘The God Makers’?

Ronnie Bray Answers a Committed Anti-Mormon's Question

 
Self-confessed Anti-Mormon Peter Ould asked me, 'What is wrong with Decker and Hunt’s book, The God Makers?'  

This is a far too brief response, but Ould requires brevity, conciseness, and hates people “witter[ing] on” about important theological matters.

  
If one’s purpose in reading The God Makers is to arrive at a true picture of the doctrines, history, and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, one will be roundly disappointed with the pot pourri of printed venom presented in this book.  However, in one; purpose is to learn about prejudice, religious bigotry, religious persecution, especially in the cause of propagating the dark message wider and using it as justification for continuing persecution through lies, then this book is a must.
  
Ould’s acceptance of Decke & Hunt's tawdry book as an important and accurate portrayal of a branch of Christianity he clearly has no time for, is worrying.  Anyone who accepts something because is written by an opponent of the same ideology as oneself is placing his intelligence and critical faculties at the mercy of desperate people. 

Ould constantly accuses Latter-day Saints [especially me!] of slavish obedience to the prophets.  Yet he slavishly accepts and believes all that is written by those he so much admires who perpetrate and perpetuate ministries of lies and hate.  One rule for the Latter-day Saint and another for Peter Ould!

  
Why would someone who claims to know what Latter-day Saints believe accept as facts that which runs counter to all they actually do believe?  Peter Ould may be able to answer that question some day, but not yet.
  
What’s wrong with The God Makers?  Plenty, as we shall see from the 45 examples I deal with here.  The writers, Decker and Hunt, dishonestly claim:  We have attempted to present carefully and factually the truth about what the Mormon Church really believes and practices (p. 244),
  
Further that:  Our purpose is not to harm the Latter-day Saints (p. 11).
  
Yet, having read the book, "Christianity Today" concludes that they have: Dedicated their lives to winning Mormons away from the faith (16 July, 1982, p. 32)
  
The book is written with some flair for the bizarre and in non-objective, inflammatory, and pejorative language.  It is a masterful example of how to tell bigger and better lies  and hope to get away with them.  Its acceptance by such notables as Peter Ould shows that it has even hoodwinked them, and thus has achieved its nefarious purposes.  Below I address 45 of the direct lies about Mormons that are known to be lies by Ed Decker because, if we can believe anything he says, he was himself a Mormon.  On to the 45 out of approximately 350 direct lies in this dark propagandist's 'Book of Lies,' that ought to have been titled "DECKER & HUNT - The LIE-MAKERS"

  

1. It claims that Latter-day Saints do not believe in the grace of God. 

They do.  They also believe that those who enjoy the grace of God should keep the commandments.  Many other Christians also believe this.

Latter-day Saints have testimonies of Jesus Christ as the Saviour and Redeemer of the world.  Salvation is not through Joseph Smith or any other prophet.  The book gives an entirely different understanding.  Works do not save, but are the evidence of faith.

The GOD-MAKERS is written in language that has been described as disrespectful, derogatory, and demeaning.  These are verbal equivalents of violence.  Sadly, anti-Mormons often justify the use of such language because “We are right and Mormons are wrong!” 

Hardly a Christian response.  However, we have to keep in mind that many involved in anti-cult ministries (as they describe themselves) are not Christians, but masquerade behind a mask of convenience that permits them to behave like religious hooligans.

  

God Makers charges that blessings given to comfort and heal the sick are satanic and that a father blessing his sick infant is placing his child in occult bondage (p. 249) and that blessing such as Jacob gave to his children (Gen 49.28), is like fortune-telling (p. 249).

That kind of reasoning is like saying that Decker is bi-pedal and is, therefor, an ape, because the apse is also bi-pedal.

Blessing by fathers and blessings of comfort and for the benefit of the sick are Biblical,  That Decker finds Biblical practices occult and demoniacal must be of concern to those that believe he has something to say that is worth hearing.  He charges the Bible with recommending occult practices and infers that those that follow Bible examples are fastening their victims with the chains of occult bondage.  No doubt that is what Decker believes Jesus did when he healed the sick.

  

References to LDS “magic underwear” with “occult, paganistic [sic] markings” worn to “allegedly give it protective powers” (p. 146). 

Latter-day Saints’ garments remind the wearers to live lives of purity and remember the covenants made to honour and love God and Jesus Christ in much the same way that Roman Ctaholics wear the scapula, or Jews the Tallit.  To describe what is sacred in demeaning terms is to deliberately and wickedly sully something that is holy to another.

  

The extent to which the authors are willing to go to paint their horror pictures is probably best demonstrated in the claim that the Saints are restrained in a “Zion Curtain” (p. 7) and that the Church restricts individual freedom with constraints similar to those used behind the “Iron Curtain” (p. 7). 

Apart from the clever use of rhyme in this phrase, it is entirely without foundation, and Decker, a former Latter-day Saint knows better, but suppresses the truth in favour of his lie.

  

7. Claims are made that Latter-day Saints are “powerless” (p. 2312), “manipulated” (p. 231), “dishonest” (p. 237), and atheistic” (p. 259), and can not be regarded as “Christian” (p. 246).

8. God Makers (p. 73, 78) says that Adam and Eve are portrayed as wearing aprons similar to Lucifer’s.  Actually, they put on aprons similar to Adam and Eve’s (Gen. 3.7).  Not the rush to attach satanic bias to all thing LDS by the spin-doctors of sin.

9. “Latter-day Saints are subject to death if they reveal temple secrets (p. 13).  This is an utter nonsense.  I have participated in Temple services since the 1960s and no threats are made, either expressly or implicitly against anyone’s life.  This is a deliberate misrepresentation, and Decker knows it!

10. It claims that “One’s genealogy must be traced back all the way back to Adam” (p. 147).  There is no “must” in LDS family history, although they are encouraged to trace four generations, more if possible, but it is an utter impossibility to trace anyone’s genealogy back to Adam.  It may even be that Decker, now ex-LDS believes that Adam is not an historical figure, as Peter Ould believes.

11. It claims that “Blond, blue-eyed, pseudo-Aaronic priests” perform the temple ceremonies.  The only rite Aaronic priests may perform in the temple is proxy baptism.  Decker has attended the temples many times.  Why does he lie about it?  Can you think of a reason for it?  I can!

12. It claims that many Mormons do not know that most temple work is for the dead (p. 64).  Utter nonsense.  Most Latter-day-Saints know that after their visit to receive their own endowment, all following visits will be for vicarious work on behalf of others who have died. 

13. It claims that those who go to the temple “are completely under Satan’s power” (p. 192).  Temple goers must demonstrate and declare that they are conforming their lives to the highest Christian standards.  This is in contradistinction to Decker and others like him who, whilst claiming to be followers of Jesus of Nazareth, engage in acts of hostility and deal in lies to ennoble and advance themselves and their distorted causes.  Think about it.

14. It claims that Lucifer dominates the temple ritual (p. 138).  Lucifer is shown as the enemy of God and of mankind who is dismissed on the two occasions when he is portrayed.  His part is a very small portion of the temple ceremony.  Decker knows this!  Why does he lie?

15. It claims, “The Mormon Jesus was … a man who had to prove himself in a mortal body in order to become God” (p. 199).  Christ was a God and a member of the Godhead before he came to this earth as the God-man (see John 1-1-18).  Decker knows what Latter-day Saints believe, yet chooses to lie about it.  We are entitled to ask Why?

16. It claims, “The Mormon Holy Ghost cannot be God” (p. 199-201).  Latter-day Saints declare the Holy Ghost to be a member of the Godhead and to be a God, although he has not yet taken upon himself a physical body.  It is not known whether he will do so.  

17. It claims, “God is changing and evolving” (pp. 199, 201).  God is perfect in every way.  This claim is pure invention, evidently made to mortify the books’ less intelligent readers.

18. It claims, “God was once sinful” (p. 114).   

19. Latter-day Saints do not teach this.  It is pure Decker-Hunt invention.  What Reach Out Trust would refer to as “historical inaccuracy.”  What would you call it?  It is of the same order of historical inaccuracy as my writing, “Peter Ould believes that God was once an Englishman.”  If I wrote that – whether I believed it or not – would it be historical inaccuracy or an outright lie?  

20. It claims, “Mormons do not believe in a creation or a creator (p. 259).  This is simply not true.  Latter-day Saints believe in the Creation and that it was accomplished by God through Jesus Christ (Heb. 1.1-3), showing this to another straightforward lie.  

21. It claims, “The Mormon God is not omnipotent or omniscient” (p. 260).  LDS doctrine is that God is all-powerful and all-knowing.  Another Decker-Hunt lie!

22. It claims, “Like Mormonism, Hinduism [teaches] humans are Gods (p. 28).  

23. The LDS Church teaches that human children of Father in Heaven have the potential to become gods.  Hinduism teaches that the atman can eventually merge and become one with the universal Brahman.  Sloppy scholarship if it is a genuine mistake; but you do not believe that it is a Decker-Hunt mistake, but another unchristian Decker-Hunt lie, don’t you?

24. It claims, “Mormons must achieve godhood through pagan ritual” (p. 31).  Saints must  become perfect before being exalted to godhood.  It is the covenant revealed from God that points the way.  The possibility of humans becoming gods is not mentioned in the temple ceremony, although it may be implied.

25. It claims, “Mormon women who become goddesses will be eternally pregnant and have billions of babies” (pp. 22, 51, 147).  Decker-Hunt either stole this idea from the imagination of Lori MacGregor, who raises a laugh with it in one of her presentations, or vice versa.  Latter-day saints do not claim to know how spiritual offspring are created.  The gentlemen are – again – indebted to their imagination – or MacGregor’s – for their facts.

26. It claims, “The Book of Mormon is an embarrassment to the LDS Church” (p. 110).  An absolute lie.

27. It claims, “The Book of Mormon is more important to Mormons than the Bible” (p. 110).  To Latter-day Saints, all scripture is important and cites the Bible first when publishing all four Standard Works together.

28. It claims, “The Book of Mormon has many contradictions” (p. 110).  The Book of Mormon is internally more consistent than the Bible.  This can be demonstrated by an honest reader who is free from malevolent intent.

30. It claims, “The Book of Mormon is stolen from other sources” (p. 112).  No knowledgeable person accepts this charge.  This Goofball allegation is only current among those who exhibit critical dependence on deeply flawed anti-Mormon books etc.

31. It claims, “Mormons accept Lucifer’s religion of self-effort” (p. 138).  Untrue (that means that it is a lie!), Latter-day Saints reject Lucifer, who is considered a real personage.  Lucifer’s religion has nothing to do with self-effort.  This is just one of many claims that has no basis in fact and is presented without evidence by the authors.  They descend to pure invention and will not let truth, propriety, or other Christian virtues such as morality, honesty, and not speaking evil or lies, stand in they way of doing their dirty work.

32. It claims, “Mormons do not believe in hell or eternal punishment” (p. 114).  Untrue.

33. It claims, “The LDS teach Christ and Lucifer were brothers in the pre-existence” (p. 199).  All beings are spirit children of God.  See Hebrews 9.12.

34. It claims, “Mormons worship Satan” (p. 74).  All LDS teaching, irrespective of where it is taught, is that Satan is the enemy to god and humanity.  Mormons do not worship Satan.  MacGregor makes the unsubstantiated and unsubstantiatable assertion that Latter-day Saints chant “Wonderful Lucifer” in the temple.  MacGregor knows as much about Hebrew as does Peter Ould, and thereby hangs a tale!

35. It claims, “Mormons do not teach that Satan is a fallen angel” (p. 74)  That Satan is a fallen angel who was cast out of God’s presence for rebellion is pointedly taught in the LDS Church, and Decker knows it!  Another Decker-Hunt lie!  

36. It claims, “Blind faith in prophets is the mark of a cult” (p. 93).  Latter-day Saints have nothing to do with blind faith.  Having prophets and the necessity of heeding them is one of the most common teachings in the Bible.

37. It claims, “Mormonism openly aligns itself with [paganism]” (pp. 27, 137).  

Another outright lie.  Some versions of traditional Christianity do have similarities to some forms of paganism.

38. It claims, “Mormons might unite all occult groups to form a world-wide, ecumenical, satanic, occult group” (pp. 243, 257).   And pigs 'MIGHT' fly!  Pure, unadulterated Decker-Hunt hogwash.  As Arthur Wellesley once said, “If you will believe that, you will believe anything!”  

39. It claims, “Mormon world conquest is the basis for storing a year’s supply of food, guns, and ammunition” (pp. 229, 241).  There is not and never has been any requirement for Latter-day Saints to have supplies of guns or ammunition in regard to the year’s supply of food.  The food is a hedge against hard times.  Furthermore, it is accepted that Latter-day Saints will share what they have with their less prepared neighbours – of any creed or of none – whenever necessary.  Deckerism never was Mormonism!  

40. It claims, “When [a world-wide LDS theocratic communism is in place], woe to all who transgress the … Mormon gospel.  Excommunication with loss of earthly property will be supplanted with the death penalty” (p. 232).  LDS doctrine expressly forbids any church the right to seize property or to take life.  Another outright lie.  Are you getting the picture?

41. It claims, “It is only when we see Mormonism as a revolutionary secret society determined to take over the world that we begin to understand the real purpose behind its Priesthoods” (p. 209).  More hogwash.  Priesthood purposes are to administer the ordinances of the Gospel to the members of the Church, to carry the message of the Church of Christ to all, and to serve mankind and prepare them to be worthy to meet the Saviour at his return.  

42. It claims, “Mormons are the anti-Christ predicted in revelation 13:13-18 that will come forth before the end of the world” (p. 250).  Many and diverse are the individuals who have been labelled as the anti-Christ, including numerous Roman Catholic popes, Martin Luther, Roman emperors, and others.  No church is more pro-Christ than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

43. It claims, “The obsessive [LDS] ambition of world domination is openly denied today but secretly plotted” (p. 234).  This is as stupid as it is untrue

44. It claims, “Joseph Smith taught, organised and encouraged his followers to rob, murder, and plunder those who opposed them” (p. 221).  This is also untrue.  

  

Evidence that rises above the level of malevolent gossip is notably absent from available  historical records!  

And these are just SOME of the things that are WRONG with DECKER & HUNT’s “GOD-MAKERS”!

  

Ronnie 'Ye shall know the truth' Bray

  

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